Mike Tollefson…
Yeah, I’ve met him somewhere. He was just a trainee, I think, when I retired.
He was most recently superintendent of Glacier Bay. And now he’s Associate Regional Director of Operations.
Same job. I think I saw that somewhere.
It was almost like two squads. The evaluation teams were different people than what we had last Thursday who were here for the rim redevelopment. I forget the rest of the names, mostly a maintenance and administration kind of an evaluation. And there were some to do with interpretation and concessions, but it was a different group. Odegaard was in the one we had last week. And, of course, some of the history people.
Well, that O.K. corral should go.” Did the expansion affect the relationships with other land management agencies?” You bet it did. Here again, I think it probably depends on where you are, too. I had a hand in developing BIFC, Boise Interagency Fire Center. In fact, I just went over and dedicated it. I was coordinator for the Park Service as Associate Regional Director in Seattle with BIFC. With Washington to Seattle to BIFC. Now, I didn’t mean that Washington couldn’t go to BIFC by themselves, but they didn’t generally speaking. I handled the personnel over there. As I recall, I hired the first man who was over there, John Bowdler. I hired him for the job. He came up from Sequoia. Now, I’m sure it’s changed a lot since that time-I know it has. Rick Gale is there now. But anyway, yes, it had a lot do with that …the more expanded. Of course it’s not just the Park Service, the whole tenor of land management agencies has changed a tremendous amount over the years. I don’t know about the BIA, the BIA is—I think the old story that before Custer left to got o Montana, he told the BIA “not to do anything ‘til I get back” and they haven’t. And I believe that, because I have dealt with the BIA quite a bit. There are people in the BIA that are fine, fantastic people but it is unfortunate that they are bogged down.
They seem to have faded from the scene a lot.
They sure have. And in some ways, it’s just as well. But the BLM , I’m on the Advisory Board for the Roseburg District of BLM, they are a whole lot like Park Service people in some ways. More than Forest Service people in some ways. They’re more down to earth then Forest Service. I’ve found snobbish type people in the Forest Service. I’ve also run into a whole lot of darn fine people. In fact, one of our best friends is an ex-Forest Service, and we give each other hell every time we see each other.
